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Post  Royce R on Mon Mar 01, 2010 5:47 am

Hi everyone,

MickeyD and myself have been talking about ways to make things less work for him and easier for the recruiting. He is wanting me to compile a list of all the pitches and promises we may use. If everyone words everything the same way it will be quicker for him to find out what we are saying.

We are also in the beginning stages of a promises system. This is not implemented yet and may never be. But I think it would be very fun and useful to the league. What we talked about is having promises that you can make to the players. This helps bring them in. But be careful as lying will hurt your reputation and make your promises fall on deaf ears in future years. So for now promises are just part of the pitching. Would love to hear feedback on if people think that could work.

Anyway, Mickey has asked me to put together a master list of Pitches/Promises that we can all use. I ask that everyone please work with us on this. If you could send me your list's I would compile them all and get them back out to everyone so we can all use the same stuff.

I understand some of you want to be original in your pitches right now. Thats great. But lets be honest Mickey is going to have to read 100's of this pitches. That will be fun for a little while, but will get old quick.
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Dan M on Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:44 am

I think a list of pitches and promises is great and I think we should take it a step further where you have a list of each that have limited use during a recruitment period. For instance, limit the whole "The offense will run through you" to 2-3 times per recruitment period.

Another great example would be in future years where you can only promise a limited number of players that they would not redshirt. That wouldn't work this season given that we have no upper-classmen, but once we begin building our programs over multiple seasons it would carry more weight.
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  MickeyD on Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:06 pm

First, I'd ask you to all comply with Royce in compiling a master list of things.

We are in the beginning stages of creating a promise system that will make the league more realistic...I still haven't entirely hammered out how promises help/hurt you down the road, but I don't think I need to make any final decisions on that until next season.

Until I hammer out all the details, just let it be known that everyone that has recruited so far will stay that way and we'll hit the ground running here, but if new pitches and promises start coming in, I'll add them to the list. If everyone can use the list down the road, I would be even more thankful.

I can also work on Dan's idea to add a limit to certain things, because saying you'll be our star can truly only go to one player, but that will be something I'll look to add in the future.
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Nathan S. on Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:55 pm

I'm considering posting my Day 1 pitches. If I do, will anyone else?
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Joe on Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:56 pm

I think were supposed to be sending them all to Royce so he can compile a list. Is that correct Mick?
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  MickeyD on Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:01 pm

That was the plan.
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Nathan S. on Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:02 pm

MickeyD wrote:That was the plan.

So no? Cause I thought they were pretty creative. Why not just put everyones in the open if they want? Does creativity get points?
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  TylerW on Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:02 pm

What is your email Royce ill foward them.

And now that day 1 is over how do we determine who gets the players with more than 1 team interested?
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Royce R on Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:03 pm

roycerobbins@hotmail.com

I have to be gone for about 45 minutes, then I'll be back and post what I have.

Thanks everyone.
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Royce R on Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:40 pm

I'll post what I have so far. Please lets talk them over and get them where they belong.



Pitches:
Top education
Play for a top coach
Play for a top team
Team Captain
Fan Base
Good exposure to pro scouts
Close to home
Focal point of the offense
Instant starter
Dedication to surrounding you with an all star team
When you come to visit Winner one of the cheerleaders would love to show you around town Wink

Promises:
Conference championship within your 4 years on the team
Conference championship first 2 years on team
Conference championship first year on team
Freshman all conference team
1st team all conference
League championship
Winning record each year with team
Winning record against rivals
No redshirt!
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Royce R on Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:41 pm

I know I left some out, but work ended up taking longer than I expected.
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  TylerW on Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:53 pm

Ya you missed the best one like telling the kid he's just far enough away from home to where his crazy mother won't embarass him when yelling at the officiating.
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Royce R on Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:04 pm

TylerW wrote:Ya you missed the best one like telling the kid he's just far enough away from home to where his crazy mother won't embarass him when yelling at the officiating.

sorry Smile
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Royce R on Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:11 pm

Ok so here are some idea's that have been thrown around.


Promises are kept track of and should only be things we can control. The plan is to keep track of your % of kept promises and have that effect future recruiting.

Conference championship within your 4 years on the team
the only problem with this promise is you won't get results from it for a long time. Not a very strong promise but maybe it will help some.


Conference championship first 2 years on team
Easier to keep track of and should help bring in that recruit.


Conference championship first year on team
Now thats more of a risky promise. If it helps you sign the player you better hope he helps win that championship Smile



Freshman all conference team
I don't really know how stats will be kept in this league, or if they are at all. Hopefully this is something we can include in everything. Should be a nice way to sway a recruit.


1st team all conference
A little deeper into the previous promise.


League championship
Possibly the hardest promise to keep. Should really sway some players your way if you do have a good history.


Winning record each year with team
Easily kept track of. Nice promise to make and hopefully can be kept.


Winning record against rivals
For this to work we need to have rivals. But I think we can get to that as well.


No red shirt!
Very easy for us to keep track of. Maybe not the strongest promise, but who does want to red shirt right?
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Royce R on Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:53 am

There has been a lot of discussion about problems with the recruiting. Mickey is giving us a chance to put our efforts into making this recruiting system but no one is participating in it.

Lets go.
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Post  Joe on Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:30 am

What else do you need Royce? You have all my pitches and promises. What else do you need? Id be more than willing to pitch in!
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Royce R on Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:15 pm

Well we need discussions on how to make this work. Rules on what we are going to keep track of to effect future recruiting.

I have some ideas also like maybe we can do so many pitches or so many hours per recruiting day.

So instead of maybe recruiting 5 guys as hard as you can you need to spread your risk out.

Example. Rules say you can make 5 pitches/5 promises per day.

Do you want to use all 10 things on 1 guy to try and get him, or do you spread them out over multiple players.

Its something to think of.

This list of pitches/promises will need some tweaking as some things are just impossible to keep track of IMO.
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Post  Joe on Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:19 pm

Now would that use the point sytem as well?
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Post  Royce R on Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:32 pm

Yes in theory.

Example. (points are examples) and using 10 promises in this example. not including pitches right now

Promising a League Championship is worth 3 points.
Promising starting spot is worth 1 point.
Promising a Conference Championship is worth 2 point
Promising no red shirt 1 point

Now here is your recruiting.

#22 PF Al Ibok
Conference championship first year on team
League championship
No redshirt!
Starting spot as a freshman

#5 SG Keith Boone
Conference championship first year on team
No redshirt!
Starting spot as a freshman

#4 SG Tracy Blevins
Conference championship first year on team
No redshirt!


#8 SF Russell Valencia
No redshirt!


that is your 10 promises you can make on that day. Now you would end with:
#22 PF Al Ibok
7 points

#5 SG Keith Boone
4 points

#4 SG Tracy Blevins
3 points

#8 SF Russell Valencia
1 point
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Post  Joe on Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:38 pm

I know it is just an example, but why wouldnt you promise everybody a championship? If its a promise with the most points, wouldnt you tell them all that or would there going to be a point max per day as well? I think if we go this route, you could use as many p n p's as possible, but have a max on points fo the day. I think its the same idea. Whaddya think?
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Post  Royce R on Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:43 pm

Oh, Maybe I never said but I thought I did. Promises are a risk reward system.

If you break a promise it hurts you.

We keep track of the promises you make. Then your success rate effects your promises in future years.

Example. Season 1 the Winner Warriors make 15 promises and keep 12 of them. Thats 80% promises.

So you factor that into promising a championship.

Championship promise = 3 points * (team rating 80%) = 2.4 points.

So if you were 80% effective on past promises it hurts you. Plus you don't want to promise everyone a championship and then not get it. That will really sting your recruiting in future years.

Let me know if I didn't explain that good enough.
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Post  Joe on Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:48 pm

No, that makes sense. It will dtermine your prestige to an extent, giving you an edge or disadvantage going into the next recruiting season. I like it!
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Post  MickeyD on Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:49 pm

Wow! That's pretty much what I explained to you guys on how recruiting was going this year (with the exception of allowing that 5 promise/pitch) as some of you guys continually shot it down. I just don't get how that is a million times better than what I was doing.
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Re: Pitches and Promises

Post  Joe on Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:52 pm

Hey Mick, I know Im jumping the gun, but I would love to keep track of this if its going to be an extra burden on you... if this is even the way we finally go to. I just volunteer(and Im sure Royce would lend a hand), because I think you mentioned it might be too much to deal with. What are your thoughts?
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Post  Royce R on Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:54 pm

With your system I pitched every single pitch and promise on the list and was still moving down in the rankings. You never posted how many points everyone had or how they earned them.
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